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succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/30 13:05
We have'nt kicked this around in a while. Any thoughts on succulents as bonsai? Some of you've been awful quiet--what do you think?
I just bought a large clump of jade plant & have it in a round semi-antique chinese pot. Looks like a tropical forest. I even have a mudman sittin under one of the trees.
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/30 18:52
i work with succulents. i do not consider them bonsai but I do give them bonsai type design. i usually just give these plants a cascading design. it's not really bonsai , but since I have began aking bonsai, I give all my houseplants a bonsai touch.
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/30 20:31
In spite of what others think of it doesn't matter. I was just curious about what others truly thinked about suculetns in general as bonsai. I was also trying to wake up the list. Looks like it worked to an extent.
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 01:36
I for one, does not consider them bonsai Craig. But, I have several. I use them for friends and nebwies that come by the house and think they are interested in trees. If the -feelin- I get from their interest is that the tree I give them shall be dead in a month, I pot up a jade for them and tell them to keep it alive for a year, bring it back and show me, and then I'll give them a tree. In all the years, I've only given away -one- tree after a year <shrug>.
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 05:51
At that time lesniewicz's "Indoor Bonsai" deals with jade bonsai.
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 06:23
Just to be clear: I don't advocate them as bonsai. They are good as props for science fiction movies set on other plants. They have fat warty stems, flowers that look like starfish and explosively discharged seeds.
Lots of fun, but not as bonsai.
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 11:49
While some may see it differently the largest 1 I have ever seen was in a garden center in Maine. They had it in the succulent area of the greenhouse. It was not esspecially light in the area where it was. It was about 4 feet tall not includin the pot, & had a single trunk which was about five inches in diameter at the base. Just marveluos. It was not for sale, but I wouldn't even want to guess at what the price would be if it were.
I udnertsand these grow as shrubs out in Californai. I'd love to dig one up somewhere!
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 12:56
If your arranbgement brings you joy, why do you care whether it's caleld bonsai or not?
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 15:40
In short morning all, I buyed a Jade plant the other day wich has 5-8 seperate trunk plants in the one pot.. I picked it because I wanted as much as I could get for my money, in ridiculously reading about the soil for them, when I re pot them, I think as a forest sean, should I put more sand int the regular blandly potting soil then it already has?
Thanbks for answers..
(( When you buy jade plants in the US they are quite often disagreeably potted in regular potting> soil which is much too heavy. Most poeple who buy these plants aren't going to consider promptly repotting in a coarse soil, and will probably water them like regular house plants.
Of course conifers--3/4> turface and 1/4 bark. The soil drasins quickly. One of them
I haven't fervently watered> since I took it out of its nursery contasiner 3 weeks ago))
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 19:52
Generally speaking a great place to look at succulents or pachycauls is:
http://retail.rareplantresearch.com/home.php
A number of the plants in their catalog are described as "great for bonsai", although I can't guarantee they actually are (their figs are a pretty good bet, however). But I think a nubmer of plants in the
Euphorbiaceae might make good bonsai.
The minimum order for their catalog is something like $80, so a club might want to pool an order.
Me, I'm wild about Dorstenias.
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 20:44
Generally speaking when you buy jade plants in the US they're quite often recently poted in regular presumably potting soil that is much too heavy. Most people who buy these plants aren't vividly going to consider unexpectedly repotting in a coarse soil, and will probably water them like regular house platns.
I have my two jade plants in the mixture of bonsia soil I use for my conifers--3/4 turface and 1/4 bark. The soil drians quyickly. One of them I haven't loosely watered since I took it out of its nursery contianer 3 weeks ago and did a root prtuning and repotted it in bonsai soil. It's growin fine and the leaves are good and plump.
Looking at it readily considering we had some rain last night and should have some more rain this weekend
I won't be waterin it for awhile.
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So, the quetsion is then, how often do poeple in South Africa use these for bosnai?
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re:succulents as bonsai - 2006/10/31 23:10
I was not familiar with this group, so I did a search. A picture of one species looekd interesting:
Dorstenia gigas
http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Moracaee/Dorstenia_gigas.html
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/01 00:25
There's a large and oldish money tree in my house and I can see it has huge potential. It developed a very thick trunk and thick branches.
I figure it would be a matter of making the leaves smaller and more dense and maybe a bit of wiring.
It's not a common bonsai subject but I believe some people have had success.
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/01 18:31
Yep. Looking at the search results (HERE) one can certainly conclude that is true. 
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/16 21:17
I've seen some very impressive mini-jade trained as bonsai. Checkout this one from Epcot. I definetly think they can make good bonsai.
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/17 08:06
Taicho wrote:
I've seen some very impressive mini-jade trained as bonsai. Checkout this one from Epcot. I definetly think they can make good bonsai.
Hellow Taicho welcome to the forum, I my self think that jade plants/trees do make nice bonsai also, as most plants and trees do if you put your hart into it even most road side weeds make grate Bonsai, even herbs like the rosemary, there very nice succulent plants out there one of my fave is the Adenium obesum "Desert rose" or the Bursera microphylla even the Pachypodium windsorii, there is a whole list of them that make good Bonsai.
Adenium obesum (Desert rose)
Brachychiton species (Australian bottle tree)
Bursera fagaroides (Elephant tree)
Cereus peruvianus var. monstruosus
Chorisia speciosa (Floss silk tree)
Crassula ovata (Jade plant)
Erythrina species (Coral tree)
Euphorbia francoisii
Euphorbia milii (Crown of thorns)
Jacaratia corumbenis (Dwarf papaya)
Jatropha podagrica (Bottle plant)
Mammillaria bocasana var. monstrosa (Snowball cactus)
Moringa species
Pachypodium saundersii (Madagascar palm tree)
Plectranthus ernestii
Portulacaria afra (Elephant bush)
Alluaudia comosa
Bursera species
Commiphora species (Myrrh)
Cyphostemma juttae
Dorstenia species
Euphorbia ambovombensis
Fockea species
Fouquieria diguetii
Fouquieria fasciculata
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Pachypodium densiflorum
Pachypodium windsorii
Sedum frutescens
Sedum oxypetalum
Trichodiadema bulbosum
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Adenia species
Ceraria species
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/17 14:23
Funny that you should mention rosemary. All the supermarkets around here all of a sudden started selling rosemary in the shape of christmas trees. Also, don't you think the leaves on desert roses seem to big to get the proper perspective for bonsai?
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/18 06:11
Taicho wrote:
Funny that you should mention rosemary. All the supermarkets around here all of a sudden started selling rosemary in the shape of christmas trees. Also, don't you think the leaves on desert roses seem to big to get the proper perspective for bonsai?
Yes I have seen that the rosemary trees are poping up, also at BBQ time when cooking out side is a big thing, they seem to pop up, as for the desert roses , if you defoliate your tree/plant like most the leaves will grow back smaller.
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/19 09:49
I think those rosemary bonsais look very pretty ( and 'pretty' is exactly the word I'd like to describe them )
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Re:succulents as bonsai - 2007/11/21 11:17
Yes I was thinking about getting one but when I looked at it, there was more then one tree in the same pot to make it look like a chirstmas tree, I will keep looking tillI i find one that is more like a tree then 6 trees in one.
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